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Personality, if people were to describe you, Judson, would they describe you as extrovert or introvert, and would you agree with their description?
Judson Howe: I think extrovert would be a common assessment of myself, but I will say as I've transitioned from the financial world into the presidential seat it has been interesting to see different aspects of my personality come out, which may be some of my more reserved components of myself that I get to enjoy in a different way. That's interesting, because I've seen you walking through all the hospitals and the way that you connect with people, and they all know you and love you, and you have this pretty wonderful way to connect with all the nurses and doctors.
I remember in particular the way you connected with When we were going through Which hospital was that, where we connected with that group of people that were in the waiting room? Yeah, I do remember that time. Japhet De Oliveira: That was a great. I was like, man, this guy is a brilliant president. Oh, you connected so well with those people. They were just astonished. Judson Howe: That is what it's about though, Japhet I think that is one of the main roles of a president, is to capture those moments and to be available.
I mean she was moved by that and loved it. That was a really great moment, a great moment. Japhet De Oliveira: So, Judson, are you an early riser or a late night owl? Judson Howe: Both. I've actually lately added in some exercise after the kids go to bed, but generally get up pretty early in the morning, start the day. If I remember correctly, you don't sleep. Is that correct?
Japhet De Oliveira: Well, you know, there is time for sleep. Judson Howe: Not that I've seen it, but I've heard it. You mentioned it to me. Japhet De Oliveira: So is that what the protein shakes really help with as well? Judson Howe: If you're working out it does help with the fatigue.
But, again, people not seeing me, I am not the picture of health. This is not who I'm aspiring to be. This is more of a baseline how to start where you are and get to a better place. Japhet De Oliveira: Sure. But I've heard you're a bit of a biker, as well. I do enjoy it. We have good mountain biking in the area and I do partake where possible.
Here's a leadership question for you then. Are you a backseat driver? Judson Howe: No. I am not a backseat driver. I am opinionated and I have worked hard on tact and approach. I would say I'm more of a trench warrior. I enjoy being inside the ER, as I enjoy being walking through the hospitals, and I really believe that it's those relationships that we have that affect our ability to influence change, and without that I don't know how you would do that. Well, last question and then I'm going to hand it over to you to pick the numbers.
What's the very first thought that went through your mind this morning? Judson Howe: The first thought I had was I need to be on time to my a. Meetings start on time. Japhet De Oliveira: They do. They do. Hey, that's good stuff. So where do you want to go from 11 to , and we will begin, seeing all these stories and experiences that shaped you into the great leader that you are today? Japhet De Oliveira: 39?
Here it is. If you This is funny. If you didn't need to sleep, what would you do with the extra time? Judson Howe: I have this weird affinity for tutorials. There's a lot of things I never master, but I love tinkering and knowing that they exist and there's really smart people out there that do them.
I have a buddy in town that is quite gifted when it comes to 3D animation and the other day I was really intrigued by what he was showing me that I didn't know was possible, and I was looking at the tools that he was using, tools I didn't know existed, nevermind that my computer can't handle them.
But I was guilty of spending some time the other night sitting through some tutorials on how these things work. I find myself doing that not just recently, but over the past 10 years. Japhet De Oliveira: And that is an entirely fascinating world, where you can create.
So after 39, where would you like to go next? Japhet De Oliveira: 47? You've just met someone. What would you want them to know about you and why? Judson Howe: I would just want them to know that I'm not a two-dimensional person. I'd want them to know that there is depth to me and I work hard to be empathetic of other people. I work hard to be empathetic in my communication and in my design, so I enjoy spending the time with people to dig deeper on who they are.
In terms of about me, I enjoy and I work hard on authentic communication and integrity is really important to me, so I work really hard on the kind of conversations with folks that both reveal that as well as instill that culture in them. Japhet De Oliveira: Good.
Where did you want to go next? Judson Howe: Let's go to Were we at 47? Let's go to Japhet De Oliveira: 43? Tell us about the best gift that you've ever received. Judson Howe: I have zero clue why my mind just went here right now. This is a spontaneous moment of radio, and it may not even be that outstanding, but since we went there when I was early teenager I received a book about Benjamin Franklin's ideals.
It was like late s values and morals that I ended up loving, and I read it religiously for probably about a year and a half. Now if you ask me specifically what was in there I probably couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you, but it definitely engendered an appreciation for noble values that that book seemed to instill.
It had a cool cover on it, probably what got me intrigued about it. It was a big book, and of course I'm like 12, 13 years old. It was like little short stories exemplifying how Benjamin Franklin had these noble ideas and values that instilled in who he was, so I remember reading that quite a bit. That was a gift from a guy. Japhet De Oliveira: No, that's fantastic. It is interesting that you have these moments that just suddenly you realize that actually shapes a lot about how you are, so that's good.
Where did you want to go after 43? Japhet De Oliveira: What does a sense of community mean to you? Judson Howe: I believe that hospitals have a moral imperative to connect with the communities and elevate the health of the community.
So it's especially true, or maybe it's not especially true, but uniquely true in rural California, where we are the largest employer, we're twice the size of the county in terms of employees, we are the biggest economic engine of the small communities that we serve, and we also, in our situation we are the three hospitals and the only acute providers of medicine in the community, and so with that comes this moral imperative to be thought leaders, to be financially proactive, to reinvest in our communities, to create jobs, and to create the ecosystems that we want to practice medicine inside of.
So when I think of community I don't have the luxury of thinking about the four walls of the hospital. I have the moral responsibility to think about the entire county and the , lives that are inside that county and how are we addressing the What about the under-housing crisis that exists in northern California?
What about the housing crisis that exists? What are we doing to not just be in the back seat of community development, but really in that driver's seat, and I know the community responds well to?
In our community we have done everything we can do to be long-term partners in the long-term vision for the community. Japhet De Oliveira: That's really good, and you're absolutely right. There are so many other streams that have come together that makes this river really, really heavy and there is a moral responsibility in how you shape that entire river. Judson Howe: Back in January we had a freezer that had Moderna vials in it and of the County's vials in it. The County did not have the equipment that they needed to store these things, so we had the responsibility to care for these.
The freezer failed, Japhet. You might know the story a little bit, but many people probably don't know the story. Judson Howe: But it's that surreal moment that the community is counting on us to be operationally excellent and to deliver. That a whole other story we can go into later, but that's the role that we play in the communities that we serve in rural California. I think it's true everywhere we serve, but just I'm speaking for ourselves, is we are the professional organization that brings excellence to the community.
Japhet De Oliveira: That was actually For all our listeners, I mean it's a global podcast, and that was actually an epic moment in the history and in your community, because things didn't work out as well as they were supposed to work out and you had to make some pretty radical quick decisions on the moment, right? I'll spend a second on that if you want? No, do. Do please. I think that was like a leadership moment, right?
It was an Adventist Health moment. So, again, we were told that we had two hours to administer vaccines. Judson Howe: I can't remember the shelf life of them at room temperature, but, again, two hours for the listener. A guy in the upper midwest had intentionally destroyed That hit national news.
France had administered 57 to date. Judson Howe: And we had that we had two hours to administer. So I think, you know, for the listener this is important to understand who we are as a community. We have cellphone numbers. That's how we operate. We don't operate on emails or public press releases. We operate on cellphones.
I said, "Carmel, have a second? Are you sitting down? What do you want to do? I'll get back to you. Go get it done. So we ended up They took of them, so now we're down to You would think that we would distribute them to our other two communities of Willits and the Coast, but the had a semi trailer that was blocking the northbound route out of the Ukiah Valley.
So we've got to administer, it's now inside the Ukiah Valley, so we set up three locations of mass vaccine clinics and we had our communications leader send out a social media blast on our Facebook page and Instagram, I believe. So within an hour and 45 minutes we were able to administer the remaining vaccines. Big kudos to our CMO, our leadership team, for getting it done. I have nursing leaders that are gifted when it comes to crisis. So unfortunately for Mendocino County, and many of you see this on the news or live it every single year, is we have fires, we have power outages, we have tsunamis.
Actually, we haven't had tsunamis lately, but we are unfortunately used to time-sensitive crises, and from this it's almost like a battle-hardened way of operations. We have a lot of people that have the ability to calmly handle time-sensitive crises in a rational manner, so that's really the skill that went into getting that done. Japhet De Oliveira: Incredible. That was actually just a brilliant moment in history. We were going to hit the news either way.
It was either going to be small hospital can't manage vaccines or small hospital gets vaccines administered, and we chose the latter. No, it was good. It was great news, a beautiful, beautiful story, beautiful moment as well. So that was 62 A, B, C, D.
It was brilliant. Where do you want to go next? Japhet De Oliveira: All right. Here we go. What is your favorite movie or book of all time and why? Judson Howe: Oh, I think one of the most It was probably one of the most frequently watched movies that I watched through my teenage years.
It was either better than Zoolander, depending which one you want to choose, but both great films. Japhet De Oliveira: Same genre? Back to back. I sense that.
I appreciate that. After 12, where next? Japhet De Oliveira: 76? Tell us about where you feel the safest and why. Judson Howe: Safest is interesting. You didn't say like most special or sacred?
You said safe? Judson Howe: I have spent a lot of time in the mountains and in the snow. I don't necessarily mean I was one of these affluent kids that spent a lot of time downhill skiing, although the latter part of that might be true. I enjoy being in the backcountry, away from people. Back to your earlier question about extroversion, I actually just enjoy being in the mountains, especially in the winter. I find there's a sense of calm, a sense of rawness in a moment of connection both with the earth and with God.
That's kind of probably counterintuitively where I feel safest or what comes to mind when you ask that question. Japhet De Oliveira: I like that. I can see that and I can sense it, as well.
Judson Howe: There's a lot stripped away from the earth in the winter and there's a lot of simplicity to that space for me. Japhet De Oliveira: There is something about the air, right, that's a little bit different, and the stillness? I'm with you. I'm placing myself there right now. Where after 76? Judson, what is the most difficult truth you've ever told. Judson Howe: Oh, I don't necessarily know how to answer that. I have had great mentorship around this, but I've had to learn to detriangulate conversations when people are coming to me on very hard issues, often about other people, and to have the courage to bring those conversations together.
That's one thing, I just did it this morning. Maybe that's why it's on my mind. I had a very critical issue come up to me from a person I really respect about another person I really respect, and they were coming to me with reticence about bringing this forward. As difficult as it was, I think I thought the best thing to do was to bring the three of us together and have one conversation right now, and it's hard.
It's hard, but also if you don't do that the consequences are great. So I kind of want to go back to the initial question in case I didn't honor the intent of the question, and that is I think about like the vaccine mandate.
That was one of the hardest things I've had to do. I am so pro-vaccine, I am so high on choice. If you want to know anything about me, some people say that my empathy is low. I don't really think it is. I think my empathy is really high, but I'm so high accountability in choice and in ownership that I think it can kind of mask my empathy.
We have chosen to be in healthcare around some of the most weakest people of our community. This is a choice that we have made, and yet we had this resistance to this vaccine that reduces the risk between us and our patients, or us and our family members, and us and that community that you mentioned a moment ago.
If we don't do that you're always going to lose a percentage of your family, right? So I think that was a truth that I had to come to terms with very recently, and I don't think my tone ever changed, but it's that sub-tone, that cynicism, that arrogance that can come across that was really the truth that I had to deal with, which is you have to come across with a humility or else you're going to wrench your culture apart. So that was something I dealt with there in mid-August, just a couple months ago, and I think the results would have been catastrophic if I hadn't had that critical conversation, if someone hadn't come to me with a critical conversation, so that's something I had to grow through.
Japhet De Oliveira: That's actually present, it's real and it's honest, and it's a really difficult Japhet De Oliveira: It's very divisive and difficult, and I agree. I agree that love actually has to pull us through it and to guide us through it. Japhet De Oliveira: Brilliant for you.
All right, after 99, sir, where would you like to go? Japhet De Oliveira: 87? When you're under incredible stress what helps to ground you? Judson Howe: I think the one thing that I do when work stress is highest is I walk through the hospital, that's the only thing. I love every department equally, but for me the emergency room fills my cup so fast, so if I need that quick hit it's the ER.
Always high energy, always hustling, no one's in crisis mode, the house is never on fire. Everything is under control in chaos, and so that is my quick hit. That's my legal drug that I do when I'm stressed out to cope with stress.
That's primarily the way inside of the work environment. They are incredible people, right, what they give and the way that they think and the way they handle everything? Like I said, ambulatory is hustling, med-surg of course is there building those deep relationships with staff, ICU is doing two-to-one care, especially through the pandemic. The moral injury was so high inside of our ICUs, and of course our physicians and our nurses.
In fact, I heard I sent out someone from Spiritual Care recently. I said, "Hey, I'm one person. I've got geographically disbursed hospitals. I need help getting a pulse of this moral injury. So I heard something that really resonated with me inside the feedback from them, and that is the surge is so strong right now that one person is dying, they're being sent out of the hospital, and the next person is coming in to die, and there's no break between the patients.
They said we've never gone through this before. We've never gone through this before, where it's death to next patient without any pause. And the visitation rules are so restrictive that we're not capturing this transition of life like we should be doing, and so the toll is so strong. I had RTs in tears inside the hallway.
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Her efforts began about five years ago when Adventist Health started to align all of its corporate HR systems across its twenty-hospital enterprise. For Milatovich, that meant coordinating and unifying policies and procedures for about eight thousand associates across the Southern California region.
Once that was completed, the organization implemented a new cloud-based IT system that has helped make HR more efficient by creating automated and self-service features. Parallel with this process, Adventist Health introduced a new benefits plan in that incentivizes associates to live well.
Those who voluntarily opt-in to this plan pay less per month for healthcare coverage but must earn a certain number of points per year to be eligible to enroll. Associates on this plan must complete an annual online wellness assessment, as well as an in-person biometric screening that measures weight, blood pressure, cholesterol, and other health measures. They also have to earn a certain number of additional points by participating in healthy activities such as annual doctor check-ups, exercise, and nutritious eating.
Shortly after implementing this new plan, Milatovich and her team realized they needed to improve sources of fuel and renewal available to associates at work.
She and her team took steps such as replacing fried foods with healthier baked alternatives. They also began reducing the amount of sugar and salt in vending machines, and the on-site chefs began to offer healthy meals that associates could purchase to take home.
For easier physical activity, walking paths were created and fitness centers were built, and leaders began encouraging their associates to take advantage of those during their breaks. Trained instructors are in place who can teach yoga, deep breathing, and other stress-relief techniques that associates can use to relax when they feel overwhelmed.
On top of this, the company also provides offerings such as childcare services, an on-call counselor, and community outreach opportunities to help balance the pressures that come with working in healthcare.
And so my mom made a comment after we got in the car. She goes, "That was kind of strange not to see you leading, not to see you first, first sort of out of the gate and making sure that everybody is coming through.
Natasha Milatovic: But it stayed with me. She goes, "I was wondering whether you stayed over there. I brought all the kids home, one, two, three. Yeah, must have been probably Natasha Milatovic: So I think so. I think it's been there for me. Japhet De Oliveira: Good, good. Well, we are at the point where you get to pick a number between 11 and Where would you like to begin?
Japhet De Oliveira: Okay. So far, I've only had one other person ever do that. All right, okay, great. So question , Natasha, tell us about one question that you just don't want to answer.
Natasha Milatovic: One question that I did not want to answer in this podcast? Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, that's good. Natasha Milatovic: Kids, if you're listening, I don't have a favorite. Japhet De Oliveira: Oh yeah, yeah. That was an answer, right? Hey, that's good.
So where do you want to go next? Japhet De Oliveira: 99, all right. What's the most difficult truth you ever told?
Natasha Milatovic: So probably talking to my daughter about navigating the life she has with the special needs that she has.
So early on, it would just have to be about, "So here we are, and how do we do this? And I'm glad I did that early on because right now, she's a very independent lady, and so it's been a great experience watching that.
So definitely, I have had many moments of what you would call sharing a difficult truth. Do you take that philosophy with a lot of things in life? Natasha Milatovic: I do. I tell my kids all the time, the truth will always serve you better because you don't have to remember what you made up or talking around doing, "Let's do this. Let's do that. Japhet De Oliveira: Good wisdom.
Good wisdom for everyone listening. No, it's good. It's good. All right, that was Japhet De Oliveira: I wonder if there's a pattern. Japhet De Oliveira: All right, let's do it. Let's do it.
Natasha Milatovic: Because, by the way, your audience should know, I don't know these questions, but I understand these are the hardest ones. So we might as well. Japhet De Oliveira: They are. They are. All right, 98, what is one great thing that you're capable of achieving? Natasha Milatovic: Love. I love. When I love, I love fully. I love fully. That is good. And it's good to know it. Natasha Milatovic: You want to get into a good corner with me. You really do because then you would be a winner.
I kind of create that space with people. Do you want to continue just going down? Japhet De Oliveira: 97, all right. Hey, could you tell us about a time when you did the actual right thing? Natasha Milatovic: The actual right thing? This morning, I had my smoothie before I had my coffee. That's a right thing to do. Natasha Milatovic: Yeah, that was just from this morning, and then I did put my sheets into the washer. I'll tell you that.
Natasha Milatovic: I feel very accomplished. That was the right thing. Natasha Milatovic: Right colors. I mean, we're all set there. Natasha Milatovic: So there you go. It could be this morning. Japhet De Oliveira: That is definitely a right thing. All right, what about this one here then, 96? Japhet De Oliveira: If you could tell us the last time that you cried.
Natasha Milatovic: Well, so last night was a Tuesday night. I was watching a procession for Queen Elizabeth. And it's just the legacy and watching the people in Scotland and in Ireland. I just feel it, just feel it emotionally. So they interviewed some ladies, and there was a woman who brought her daughter. And the daughter's little, and she said, "I wanted my daughter to be here because one day, I want to tell her about a great woman that has done this for 70 years.
I mean, I look at my daughter and, like I said, the story that I've shared about my schooling. I just think I love empowering young women. I'm a big mentor. I've mentored many. I've led many. I just think it's great. So yeah, I definitely had tears coming down my face, just watching the emotion around this historic event that we're witnessing right now.
Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, it is interesting. You think about all the historical events that we've been part of in our lives, and they're significant moments. Natasha Milatovic: Yes, and did you know that yesterday marked 40 years that Princess Grace Kelly died?
Natasha Milatovic: Ö and so she married into the monarchy. She was a princess of Monaco in France, and she died a beautiful woman. She died in a car accident, but 40 years. She was another big royal European icon, so I just got reminded of that yesterday. So yeah, anyway, so those were my tears. And my tears were just relating to people getting emotional.
There was that one scene that was just so eerie, the car driving onto that street really slowly with the entourage and then the people on the both sides of the streets. And so the anchor said, "We're just going to not talk now.
I want you to hear the silence. You can hear the pin drop. And I think it was in Scotland. And it's like, they're fun people. I mean, it's always-. Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah, the Scots are, yeah, yeah, yeah. Natasha Milatovic: Yeah, right? There's always noise and great, so that was just incredible. So I had tears last night over that. Japhet De Oliveira: Beautiful. All right, 95 then.
Tell us about I think you're going to love this. Tell us about how your faith and life intersect. Natasha Milatovic: I've had an event in my life that some would say, "How can something like this happen to someone like you? And here, I'll tell you a little story about it, just one story that comes to mind. I took my daughter to a physician, to a doctor at one of many doctors visits, and he was pushing this surgery. And my daughter was, at the time, probably And so he was giving me all of the reasons why I shouldn't wait, and I thought that I should wait because the medicine will progress by the time she might need to do this.
And she might not. So there's always been that she might not, and we've kind of lived in this land of hope for a lot of years. And so he said, "I don't know what else to tell you, and I don't know how else to talk you into this. I'm just going to pray. My daughter, who's now in her 20s, remembers every single word of that conversation, and the fact that I told this doctor that, how are we going to pray? And he said, "Where's he going to get you?
So my faith has been really strong. And like I said, there's those who would question to say, "I don't know that I would believe in anything after things happen right in your life. Natasha Milatovic: I do think we need to do our part, and that's what I tell people. You got to do your part. But I think faith is what really keeps me. And by the way, faith is why I'm here for Adventist Health. I mean, I can talk about God freely. I can talk about In any of our hospitals, I can go and just be comfortable and just be one with great people.
Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, and I've noticed that you do that, Natasha, when you call these systemwide meetings, and you always invite somebody to begin with a foundational thought and story and prayer. And it sets a really good tone. Natasha Milatovic: Exactly.
We're all human, and we got to share with one another. And that's how that happens, the power of a lot of people in faith. All right, 94, I mean, you're doing exceptionally well, and so I'm just going to continue here with If you could change one thing in the world, what would it be?
Natasha Milatovic: Yes, world hunger. Living here, they constantly tease me in my family because I learned how to make just enough for us and not have leftovers because nobody ever eats leftovers.
And I always say, where can we take this? Where can we take the leftovers? So we volunteer at food banks and cooking for people on holidays. I mean, anytime there's any opportunity out there to donate, to donate the meat, donate this, donate the food. Growing up in Eastern Europe, you appreciate it. Here's another good story for you. So I think at that time, maybe I was in US for a couple years, so you get used to the standard here, which I think many people take for granted, really sadly.
So I went home after a couple years and wake up in the morning, and on TV, they're announcing that the bakeries are on strike. What do you want? What do you mean, the bakeries are on strike? So in my head, "What are we going eat? Natasha Milatovic: Bread is important. So I go there. I'm like, "Dad, Dad. And I'm panicking really sadly.
And what are we going to do? And you know what? He looked up at me and said, "So what? There's potatoes. We'll eat potatoes. Natasha Milatovic: And so he said, "Are you concerned about that? So what, there's no bread? So again, growing up in a different country Japhet De Oliveira: Well, in order and sequence, this is actually a great question for you. It's the final question for our time because our time's run out.
But it's 93, and it is, paint us a picture of success. Natasha Milatovic: Could you rephrase that? For me, personally, success is joy. I think having joy in life and anything that I do is most important, and just really being healthy, keeping up the health. So that's it, being joyful. Stay healthy. Everything else comes. Everything else is workable. It comes through. So as long as I get up in the morning and I am able to pause, enjoy Japhet De Oliveira: Natasha, thank you so much for sharing so many of the great stories and experiences that shaped you into the leader that you are today.
And it's been a pleasure, absolutely. Natasha Milatovic: Absolutely. Well, thank you for surprising me with this podcast. And I'm always happy, always happy to-. Japhet De Oliveira: We'll have to clarify that surprise sometime. Yes, and I just want to point out, these were hardest questions, I guess. But it was my pleasure.
This was really fun. Japhet De Oliveira: No, that's great. That's great. Hey, for everybody who's listening, just want to encourage you to do the same. Connect with somebody. Ask them questions. I grow. Everybody grows. You will grow, and God will bless you. You take care. Thanks so much. We invite you to read, watch, and submit your story and experience at adventisthealth.
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Japhet De Oliveira: It is. Natasha Milatovic: Thank you very much. Japhet De Oliveira: At the end. So yeah, now people say it- Japhet De Oliveira: Has it worked? Japhet De Oliveira: No, no, no.
Natasha Milatovic: That's not it. Japhet De Oliveira: That's not it. Natasha Milatovic: Yes. Japhet De Oliveira: That could be one thing. Japhet De Oliveira: Yes, it's true. Japhet De Oliveira: You enjoyed it? Japhet De Oliveira: Oh yeah, great. In his face, he was just- Japhet De Oliveira: That's beautiful.
And it just worked. It just worked. So love it. So that's my- Japhet De Oliveira: That's your routine. Japhet De Oliveira: Fantastic. Natasha Milatovic: Beautiful country. Natasha Milatovic: Beautiful. Natasha Milatovic: Yes? Natasha Milatovic: Food.
Natasha Milatovic: So a wedding planner. Natasha Milatovic: Yeah. It was that or a pharmacist. Japhet De Oliveira: Very close. So we had the whole- Japhet De Oliveira: Pharmacy.
Well, we played with- Japhet De Oliveira: With empty drug boxes. Japhet De Oliveira: Poor Natasha. Japhet De Oliveira: Yes, yes. Yeah, uh-huh. Japhet De Oliveira: You'd work on campus. Japhet De Oliveira: That's amazing.
Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Japhet De Oliveira: If you can help it. Natasha Milatovic: But yeah, no, I'm definitely late. Natasha Milatovic: This morning? Oh no. Japhet De Oliveira: Oh really? Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that was the first thought.
Japhet De Oliveira: I know. I know. I can have a whole hundred-hours podcast around one or the other- Japhet De Oliveira: We'll do that next, yeah, yeah. It was this beautiful camp on the beach where the local schools- Japhet De Oliveira: I can imagine how terrible it is, yeah.
Japhet De Oliveira: Went for four weeks. It just came to me- Japhet De Oliveira: Naturally. Japhet De Oliveira: That's a great conversation. Natasha Milatovic: At Who's my favorite child? Natasha Milatovic: Well, that was easy.
Natasha Milatovic: I don't Natasha Milatovic: So yeah. Natasha Milatovic: It's served me well. Natasha Milatovic: Natasha Milatovic: Let's do the 90s. Let's do the hard ones. Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that is. That is. Japhet De Oliveira: At the right temperature? Natasha Milatovic: The right temperature. Japhet De Oliveira: The right colors? Natasha Milatovic: Okay. Natasha Milatovic: What's today?
Japhet De Oliveira: Today's Wednesday. Japhet De Oliveira: No. Natasha Milatovic: Remember Grace Kelly? Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Japhet De Oliveira: Deeply respectful. Natasha Milatovic: Yes, absolutely. Natasha Milatovic: All the time. Japhet De Oliveira: I like that.
Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, it's worth the time.
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